1 00:00:12,250 --> 00:00:06,150 you 2 00:00:16,780 --> 00:00:14,190 [Music] 3 00:00:21,370 --> 00:00:16,790 yes Oh Thank You Ravi for that excellent 4 00:00:25,179 --> 00:00:21,380 introduction so when we when we think 5 00:00:27,730 --> 00:00:25,189 about think about detecting bio 6 00:00:29,410 --> 00:00:27,740 signatures we often think about okay so 7 00:00:30,609 --> 00:00:29,420 we we're going to disc average that 8 00:00:32,950 --> 00:00:30,619 planet where we're going to get a disk 9 00:00:34,860 --> 00:00:32,960 average spectrum we're going to put that 10 00:00:36,850 --> 00:00:34,870 spectrum that spectrum is going to get 11 00:00:39,430 --> 00:00:36,860 analyzed by our telescopes and we're 12 00:00:40,990 --> 00:00:39,440 going to recover that spectrum it'll 13 00:00:42,310 --> 00:00:41,000 have evidence of absorbing molecules 14 00:00:43,630 --> 00:00:42,320 perhaps that have a Rayleigh scattering 15 00:00:46,360 --> 00:00:43,640 tale which will tell us something about 16 00:00:47,620 --> 00:00:46,370 atmospheric math and those absorption 17 00:00:50,979 --> 00:00:47,630 features will fingerprint certain 18 00:00:52,810 --> 00:00:50,989 molecules and we'll use the evidence of 19 00:00:55,630 --> 00:00:52,820 those molecules to infer things like the 20 00:00:57,549 --> 00:00:55,640 presence of life oxygen maiden for 21 00:00:59,979 --> 00:00:57,559 oxygen takoto synthesis or surface 22 00:01:02,500 --> 00:00:59,989 features from the vegetation vegetation 23 00:01:03,610 --> 00:01:02,510 like earth or perhaps other types of 24 00:01:06,160 --> 00:01:03,620 pigments we heard about in the previous 25 00:01:07,870 --> 00:01:06,170 session I think we often tend to think 26 00:01:10,810 --> 00:01:07,880 of the spectra as sort of out there and 27 00:01:11,650 --> 00:01:10,820 static and you know the features are 28 00:01:12,730 --> 00:01:11,660 there and maybe we'll have the 29 00:01:15,700 --> 00:01:12,740 signal-to-noise to get them or maybe 30 00:01:16,899 --> 00:01:15,710 maybe they don't but one complication to 31 00:01:18,550 --> 00:01:16,909 think about is the influence of 32 00:01:20,050 --> 00:01:18,560 time-dependent properties of the 33 00:01:22,810 --> 00:01:20,060 planetary spectrum so as you're 34 00:01:23,950 --> 00:01:22,820 integrating that disk average spectrum 35 00:01:25,330 --> 00:01:23,960 it's going to take a long time the 36 00:01:27,250 --> 00:01:25,340 planets going to be rotating it's going 37 00:01:29,499 --> 00:01:27,260 to be going through phases and there are 38 00:01:31,960 --> 00:01:29,509 a lot of properties that are going to be 39 00:01:34,870 --> 00:01:31,970 dependent on they're going to change 40 00:01:37,570 --> 00:01:34,880 with time including surface fractions of 41 00:01:40,539 --> 00:01:37,580 different surface types so surface 42 00:01:42,130 --> 00:01:40,549 heterogeneity like land and ocean cloud 43 00:01:43,899 --> 00:01:42,140 heterogeneity we talked we talked about 44 00:01:46,210 --> 00:01:43,909 how important clouds were and the 45 00:01:47,469 --> 00:01:46,220 stochastic city of cloud cover there are 46 00:01:49,330 --> 00:01:47,479 other effects like phase reddening 47 00:01:51,340 --> 00:01:49,340 forward and back scattering from clouds 48 00:01:52,840 --> 00:01:51,350 your effective path links to the 49 00:01:54,190 --> 00:01:52,850 atmosphere will change if you're looking 50 00:01:56,410 --> 00:01:54,200 at Crescent phase or if you're looking 51 00:01:57,999 --> 00:01:56,420 at quadrature gibbous phase and those 52 00:02:01,090 --> 00:01:58,009 all affect you know your your 53 00:02:02,859 --> 00:02:01,100 signal-to-noise that you can recover so 54 00:02:05,039 --> 00:02:02,869 this image to the right this rotating 55 00:02:07,179 --> 00:02:05,049 earth is actually part of our model 56 00:02:08,949 --> 00:02:07,189 that's used to generate the spectral 57 00:02:11,590 --> 00:02:08,959 Earth database every pixel is a spectrum 58 00:02:15,220 --> 00:02:11,600 and so the the blue the blue pixels look 59 00:02:18,160 --> 00:02:15,230 like ocean and then the you know white 60 00:02:20,589 --> 00:02:18,170 pixels look like clouds and the sort of 61 00:02:21,940 --> 00:02:20,599 brown pixels are land surfaces and all 62 00:02:23,650 --> 00:02:21,950 those pixels are integrated together 63 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:23,660 into our disk average spectrum and we 64 00:02:27,440 --> 00:02:25,170 can do this at several different 65 00:02:28,699 --> 00:02:27,450 Lucian's and so on the right is the 66 00:02:31,070 --> 00:02:28,709 highest resolution that's number seven 67 00:02:32,510 --> 00:02:31,080 and then and then number one is the 68 00:02:33,620 --> 00:02:32,520 lowest resolution we're adding something 69 00:02:35,510 --> 00:02:33,630 all these up to get our disc averaged 70 00:02:37,490 --> 00:02:35,520 spectrum and the more pixels we use the 71 00:02:40,040 --> 00:02:37,500 more the higher fidelity we can actually 72 00:02:41,540 --> 00:02:40,050 represent the spectrum of the earth and 73 00:02:44,470 --> 00:02:41,550 we can do this for two different phases 74 00:02:47,059 --> 00:02:44,480 so for example here it's gibbous 75 00:02:49,610 --> 00:02:47,069 quadrature and Crescent phases this kind 76 00:02:51,020 --> 00:02:49,620 of spans that amount of phases that the 77 00:02:53,030 --> 00:02:51,030 range of phases will actually be able to 78 00:02:54,380 --> 00:02:53,040 deserve with direct imaging telescopes 79 00:02:55,400 --> 00:02:54,390 because of interworking angle 80 00:02:58,009 --> 00:02:55,410 constraints and angular separation 81 00:02:59,809 --> 00:02:58,019 between the planet and the star on the 82 00:03:01,009 --> 00:02:59,819 right you can see here clearly and 83 00:03:02,420 --> 00:03:01,019 thankfully it shows up on this projector 84 00:03:04,550 --> 00:03:02,430 you can see this glint spot it's very 85 00:03:08,330 --> 00:03:04,560 beautiful but this is really in the 86 00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:08,340 model the model is doing glint so what 87 00:03:12,979 --> 00:03:09,810 does this look like spectrally so here's 88 00:03:15,050 --> 00:03:12,989 a one hour cadence earth rotating 89 00:03:17,330 --> 00:03:15,060 through 24 hour period and I've noted 90 00:03:20,570 --> 00:03:17,340 the major absorbing features from water 91 00:03:22,160 --> 00:03:20,580 from oxygen from ozone and Rayleigh 92 00:03:24,199 --> 00:03:22,170 scattering and the you see a lot of 93 00:03:26,449 --> 00:03:24,209 lines there that's those are solar lines 94 00:03:27,890 --> 00:03:26,459 that are reflected back and the initial 95 00:03:29,300 --> 00:03:27,900 spectrum is a very high resolution that 96 00:03:31,099 --> 00:03:29,310 we can degrade it to progressively lower 97 00:03:33,610 --> 00:03:31,109 resolutions now look what happens to the 98 00:03:38,479 --> 00:03:33,620 spectrum when I go to Crescent phase 99 00:03:40,640 --> 00:03:38,489 okay okay so you can see on the on the 100 00:03:42,590 --> 00:03:40,650 Left axis the spectrum is a lot dimmer 101 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:42,600 but it's also a different color it's a 102 00:03:47,810 --> 00:03:44,250 lot redder the Rayleigh scattering tail 103 00:03:49,430 --> 00:03:47,820 went away relatively the the 104 00:03:51,289 --> 00:03:49,440 near-infrared is a lot brighter and the 105 00:03:52,610 --> 00:03:51,299 variability is a lot bigger too because 106 00:03:54,949 --> 00:03:52,620 you have a smaller fraction of the earth 107 00:03:57,229 --> 00:03:54,959 that fraction is covered by ocean or 108 00:04:00,890 --> 00:03:57,239 land or clouds that has a bigger 109 00:04:02,690 --> 00:04:00,900 temporal impact okay and so we can do 110 00:04:05,330 --> 00:04:02,700 this with varying viewing geometries too 111 00:04:07,490 --> 00:04:05,340 so here's a mid latitude pixel and you 112 00:04:10,420 --> 00:04:07,500 can see Africa and North America then 113 00:04:13,130 --> 00:04:10,430 come into view equatorial at a 114 00:04:14,809 --> 00:04:13,140 quadrature and then pull on this is a 115 00:04:17,270 --> 00:04:14,819 the South Pole and you can see 116 00:04:19,759 --> 00:04:17,280 Antarctica kind of peeking out and then 117 00:04:22,039 --> 00:04:19,769 South America and Australia coming in 118 00:04:27,439 --> 00:04:22,049 and so each pixel here again as a 119 00:04:30,619 --> 00:04:29,089 and so how do we doing that well we're 120 00:04:32,629 --> 00:04:30,629 doing the full radiative transfer for 121 00:04:34,070 --> 00:04:32,639 each for each individual pixel that 122 00:04:37,339 --> 00:04:34,080 includes absorption that includes 123 00:04:38,869 --> 00:04:37,349 rayleigh scattering and we do that for 124 00:04:42,230 --> 00:04:38,879 each time it's kind of surface type each 125 00:04:43,580 --> 00:04:42,240 kind of cloud type and we use blind 126 00:04:44,899 --> 00:04:43,590 intensities from high trend including 127 00:04:47,510 --> 00:04:44,909 the gases that are listed here water 128 00:04:49,610 --> 00:04:47,520 carbon dioxide oxygen ozone methane 129 00:04:52,999 --> 00:04:49,620 carbon monoxide and nitrous oxide so 130 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:53,009 biosignature gases included and then we 131 00:04:57,950 --> 00:04:54,810 use data products from a suite of NASA 132 00:04:59,119 --> 00:04:57,960 of NASA's Earth observing satellites so 133 00:05:01,670 --> 00:04:59,129 those data products are publicly 134 00:05:03,230 --> 00:05:01,680 available and they allow us to get 135 00:05:04,430 --> 00:05:03,240 things like the mixing ratios of 136 00:05:06,770 --> 00:05:04,440 different gases as a function of 137 00:05:09,559 --> 00:05:06,780 latitude and longitude and so this plot 138 00:05:12,050 --> 00:05:09,569 represents for one pixel over the range 139 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:12,060 of data of dates that we've modeled so 140 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:15,210 this extends a month as seen from from 141 00:05:19,700 --> 00:05:17,370 from the moon so earth is recapitulating 142 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:19,710 all the phases that you would see as an 143 00:05:24,290 --> 00:05:21,810 exoplanet with a with an edge on 144 00:05:27,110 --> 00:05:24,300 inclination so this is one pixel this is 145 00:05:29,119 --> 00:05:27,120 a range of how these gases vary with 146 00:05:32,149 --> 00:05:29,129 time over one month and then on the 147 00:05:34,999 --> 00:05:32,159 right here's all of the pixels of the 148 00:05:37,029 --> 00:05:35,009 earth and all the times so what's the 149 00:05:39,290 --> 00:05:37,039 full range of the gas at each altitude 150 00:05:41,240 --> 00:05:39,300 and so this is all being self 151 00:05:43,399 --> 00:05:41,250 consistently this is the real earth real 152 00:05:47,089 --> 00:05:43,409 real retrievals being inputted into the 153 00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:47,099 model and then we can also get the 154 00:05:51,350 --> 00:05:49,289 surface coverages so that the ice extent 155 00:05:53,600 --> 00:05:51,360 is a NASA data product so we can get 156 00:05:55,700 --> 00:05:53,610 that and the surface cloud the cloud 157 00:05:57,379 --> 00:05:55,710 coverage extents and positions we can 158 00:05:58,850 --> 00:05:57,389 get that so when you saw those movies 159 00:06:00,769 --> 00:05:58,860 with the clouds in there those are the 160 00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:00,779 real cloud positions for the date and 161 00:06:05,180 --> 00:06:02,250 time we modeled in the real clouds 162 00:06:06,860 --> 00:06:05,190 thicknesses so the left is the clear sky 163 00:06:09,230 --> 00:06:06,870 fraction of the different surface types 164 00:06:10,850 --> 00:06:09,240 we've modeled and then the right is the 165 00:06:12,649 --> 00:06:10,860 different cloud types and then this is 166 00:06:15,559 --> 00:06:12,659 the observing window we've modeled and 167 00:06:16,790 --> 00:06:15,569 how you know you oscillate the fraction 168 00:06:19,990 --> 00:06:16,800 of each surface type you're viewing 169 00:06:22,219 --> 00:06:20,000 because you have one viewing angle and 170 00:06:24,230 --> 00:06:22,229 you kid this is ground truth so and 171 00:06:26,149 --> 00:06:24,240 we're later testing these we can go back 172 00:06:28,939 --> 00:06:26,159 and see what do we put into the model 173 00:06:30,409 --> 00:06:28,949 and so this this is a snapshot for 174 00:06:33,769 --> 00:06:30,419 snapshot spectra at four different 175 00:06:36,620 --> 00:06:33,779 phases at Crescent gibbous quadrature 176 00:06:38,749 --> 00:06:36,630 and Crescent phases and I've noted up in 177 00:06:39,940 --> 00:06:38,759 the full face panel major absorbing 178 00:06:42,460 --> 00:06:39,950 features from different 179 00:06:45,220 --> 00:06:42,470 asses you can see real quick here that 180 00:06:47,410 --> 00:06:45,230 as you as you go to Crescent phase of 181 00:06:48,820 --> 00:06:47,420 course you get a lot less reflected 182 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:48,830 light and that's expected your 183 00:06:52,270 --> 00:06:50,690 mid-infrared of course is more stable 184 00:06:54,250 --> 00:06:52,280 because the night side of the earth is 185 00:06:56,530 --> 00:06:54,260 still warm it's still emitting it's 186 00:06:57,880 --> 00:06:56,540 still emitting light and so the spectra 187 00:07:00,370 --> 00:06:57,890 of data products we have extend all 188 00:07:04,600 --> 00:07:00,380 these wavelengths and out from point 1 189 00:07:06,670 --> 00:07:04,610 to 200 microns so one thing that's been 190 00:07:12,100 --> 00:07:06,680 mentioned is using broadband photometry 191 00:07:13,810 --> 00:07:12,110 to try to more encapsulate real quickly 192 00:07:15,370 --> 00:07:13,820 what what the planet might look like the 193 00:07:18,220 --> 00:07:15,380 kind of gauge is habitability before you 194 00:07:21,790 --> 00:07:18,230 spend the observing time on spectra and 195 00:07:24,310 --> 00:07:21,800 so we did that too we did a you - b b - 196 00:07:26,440 --> 00:07:24,320 b v- R&R my sight magnitudes here's how 197 00:07:28,780 --> 00:07:26,450 they change with phase I'm so close to 198 00:07:29,950 --> 00:07:28,790 full phase and from quadrature to full 199 00:07:33,340 --> 00:07:29,960 phase you can actually get the 200 00:07:36,100 --> 00:07:33,350 modulation from the surface at Crescent 201 00:07:37,240 --> 00:07:36,110 phases you get a lot of phrase resonant 202 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:37,250 reddening because you've scattered out 203 00:07:42,370 --> 00:07:40,730 the blue light and here's a great color 204 00:07:44,950 --> 00:07:42,380 color plot that's put together by Jake 205 00:07:46,660 --> 00:07:44,960 Lustig Jaeger and it shows the range of 206 00:07:48,670 --> 00:07:46,670 colors just for the earth the earth goes 207 00:07:50,260 --> 00:07:48,680 through as it goes through its phases so 208 00:07:53,590 --> 00:07:50,270 if we're thinking about surface bio 209 00:07:54,610 --> 00:07:53,600 signatures and how they change with or 210 00:07:56,350 --> 00:07:54,620 how they might how they might be 211 00:07:57,400 --> 00:07:56,360 different how we might identify them we 212 00:07:59,980 --> 00:07:57,410 also have to consider that there's an 213 00:08:01,690 --> 00:07:59,990 ABS here above that planet and that's 214 00:08:03,580 --> 00:08:01,700 going to induce color changes as a 215 00:08:05,920 --> 00:08:03,590 function of phase and so there's going 216 00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:05,930 to be a spread in colors depending on 217 00:08:09,610 --> 00:08:07,250 when you look at the planet so you have 218 00:08:10,900 --> 00:08:09,620 to consider that but those that spread 219 00:08:12,220 --> 00:08:10,910 and colors actually telling you there's 220 00:08:13,630 --> 00:08:12,230 an atmosphere and giving you properties 221 00:08:17,230 --> 00:08:13,640 about that atmosphere so we can use that 222 00:08:18,670 --> 00:08:17,240 and learn from that and so so I want to 223 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:18,680 talk about other applications of this 224 00:08:24,180 --> 00:08:20,570 database so one thing we did was take a 225 00:08:27,250 --> 00:08:24,190 loo board model so loo bar is a large UV 226 00:08:29,440 --> 00:08:27,260 ultraviolet optical infrared telescope 227 00:08:31,600 --> 00:08:29,450 concept and so we use the chronograph 228 00:08:33,510 --> 00:08:31,610 noise model from Tyler Robinson and we 229 00:08:36,070 --> 00:08:33,520 simulated ok what would what would a 230 00:08:38,290 --> 00:08:36,080 Lubo are see at these different phases 231 00:08:40,690 --> 00:08:38,300 using as input our spectral Earth 232 00:08:44,470 --> 00:08:40,700 database and so here you can see you've 233 00:08:47,380 --> 00:08:44,480 got a great rail a tail o - Abe and 234 00:08:51,610 --> 00:08:47,390 ozone Bant Hartley Huggins out UV band a 235 00:08:53,110 --> 00:08:51,620 chap we ozone band and let's look at 236 00:08:53,590 --> 00:08:53,120 them as they change their phases so if 237 00:08:55,420 --> 00:08:53,600 you look 238 00:08:58,030 --> 00:08:55,430 and I give is faith our error bars have 239 00:09:00,430 --> 00:08:58,040 shrunk a little bit oh I should say that 240 00:09:02,379 --> 00:09:00,440 the parameters we use we assumed for 241 00:09:05,620 --> 00:09:02,389 this where respect to resolving power of 242 00:09:07,629 --> 00:09:05,630 eighty a mere diameter of 12 meters and 243 00:09:10,780 --> 00:09:07,639 distance of five parsecs and this is for 244 00:09:11,920 --> 00:09:10,790 a hundred our integration so so one 245 00:09:13,569 --> 00:09:11,930 hundred our integration gives you these 246 00:09:17,100 --> 00:09:13,579 error bars with the twelve meter 247 00:09:19,509 --> 00:09:17,110 telescope now if we go to crescent phase 248 00:09:20,980 --> 00:09:19,519 you can see a big difference we've 249 00:09:23,110 --> 00:09:20,990 completely removed the Rayleigh 250 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:23,120 scattering tail so that's gone the earth 251 00:09:24,819 --> 00:09:24,410 is now a different color than it was 252 00:09:26,949 --> 00:09:24,829 before 253 00:09:28,689 --> 00:09:26,959 but another cool thing that happens is 254 00:09:30,430 --> 00:09:28,699 that the chap we ozone band now gets 255 00:09:32,230 --> 00:09:30,440 deeper because your path length to the 256 00:09:34,389 --> 00:09:32,240 atmosphere is bigger and so you get more 257 00:09:36,460 --> 00:09:34,399 ozone absorption now that that you 258 00:09:39,069 --> 00:09:36,470 shaped that you shape an earth spectrum 259 00:09:42,850 --> 00:09:39,079 is actually really diagnostic of Earth's 260 00:09:45,309 --> 00:09:42,860 spectrum and and separates it from the 261 00:09:46,809 --> 00:09:45,319 other terrestrial planets and from 262 00:09:47,980 --> 00:09:46,819 potential abiotic plants we could 263 00:09:50,650 --> 00:09:47,990 imagine just like bare rock with a 264 00:09:52,300 --> 00:09:50,660 nitrogen surface would be blue and it 265 00:09:53,590 --> 00:09:52,310 wouldn't have methane absorption that 266 00:09:56,019 --> 00:09:53,600 would separate it out from Neptune and 267 00:09:57,790 --> 00:09:56,029 Uranus but it wouldn't have that you 268 00:09:58,960 --> 00:09:57,800 shape and there it is again and so the 269 00:10:01,179 --> 00:09:58,970 idea here is that you could get 270 00:10:02,800 --> 00:10:01,189 broadband photometry to look for that 271 00:10:05,139 --> 00:10:02,810 you shape before you invested in the 272 00:10:06,519 --> 00:10:05,149 spectrum surface mapping is something 273 00:10:08,920 --> 00:10:06,529 that's been talked about I want to 274 00:10:10,389 --> 00:10:08,930 advertise a poster by Jacob Lustig 275 00:10:12,970 --> 00:10:10,399 Jaeger who's going to give a talk in 276 00:10:14,379 --> 00:10:12,980 this room 215 on Wednesday using the 277 00:10:16,389 --> 00:10:14,389 spectral earth database I've mentioned 278 00:10:18,069 --> 00:10:16,399 two tests retrieval models and see how 279 00:10:21,460 --> 00:10:18,079 well we can actually pull out ocean 280 00:10:24,550 --> 00:10:21,470 fraction a vegetation fraction and land 281 00:10:27,970 --> 00:10:24,560 fraction so please come see that one 282 00:10:30,309 --> 00:10:27,980 other thing that's kind of cool is that 283 00:10:32,920 --> 00:10:30,319 this model has also been used to model 284 00:10:34,780 --> 00:10:32,930 the earth shine effect on permanently 285 00:10:36,249 --> 00:10:34,790 shadowed craters on the moon so it's 286 00:10:38,019 --> 00:10:36,259 permanently shadowed from the Sun but 287 00:10:39,670 --> 00:10:38,029 not from the earth and so our models 288 00:10:41,019 --> 00:10:39,680 been use of that little bit beyond bio 289 00:10:43,150 --> 00:10:41,029 signatures but it shows the kind of 290 00:10:45,879 --> 00:10:43,160 flexibility of what this database can be 291 00:10:47,800 --> 00:10:45,889 used for and so finally I would kind of 292 00:10:48,699 --> 00:10:47,810 want to ask people in this room who 293 00:10:49,780 --> 00:10:48,709 might be working on instrument 294 00:10:51,370 --> 00:10:49,790 simulators who may be working on 295 00:10:52,749 --> 00:10:51,380 different kinds of bio signatures what 296 00:10:55,179 --> 00:10:52,759 can the spec to earth database do for 297 00:10:57,689 --> 00:10:55,189 you we can do arbitrary phase viewing 298 00:10:59,860 --> 00:10:57,699 angles haze and viewing angles we can do 299 00:11:02,019 --> 00:10:59,870 different observing cadence so an hour 300 00:11:03,250 --> 00:11:02,029 50 minutes we can work with that and we 301 00:11:05,530 --> 00:11:03,260 can switch from one surface to another 302 00:11:07,329 --> 00:11:05,540 so we can switch out our vegetation for 303 00:11:09,850 --> 00:11:07,339 anoxygenic photo choice for exam 304 00:11:11,230 --> 00:11:09,860 and look at the affect on the spectrum 305 00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:11,240 and how we're cover with retrieval 306 00:11:16,449 --> 00:11:13,610 models that bio signature would be and 307 00:11:22,590 --> 00:11:16,459 so and so with that I'll thank you all 308 00:11:25,030 --> 00:11:22,600 and take questions Thank You Eddie so 309 00:11:27,540 --> 00:11:25,040 that was really great job not because of 310 00:11:30,989 --> 00:11:27,550 your session chair but it's really good 311 00:11:35,559 --> 00:11:30,999 all right we are open for questions 312 00:11:38,230 --> 00:11:35,569 creating great talk so a lot of the 313 00:11:40,210 --> 00:11:38,240 planets that we're most interested at 314 00:11:42,420 --> 00:11:40,220 the moment regarding recent discoveries 315 00:11:44,679 --> 00:11:42,430 are planets around em dwarves where the 316 00:11:47,230 --> 00:11:44,689 the integration time will be a 317 00:11:50,259 --> 00:11:47,240 non-negligible amount of the orbital 318 00:11:52,619 --> 00:11:50,269 period yes so in that case I guess you 319 00:11:55,179 --> 00:11:52,629 have a convolution of many of these 320 00:11:57,249 --> 00:11:55,189 specific phases you've been shown is 321 00:12:01,059 --> 00:11:57,259 that going to be a problem for backing 322 00:12:03,280 --> 00:12:01,069 out individual spectra or corresponding 323 00:12:05,350 --> 00:12:03,290 to a specific phase in those case yeah 324 00:12:08,230 --> 00:12:05,360 so that's a great question and to answer 325 00:12:09,790 --> 00:12:08,240 that two things one is the the angular 326 00:12:11,650 --> 00:12:09,800 separation of the plant stars very bad 327 00:12:13,480 --> 00:12:11,660 for M stars you know how those own is 328 00:12:15,069 --> 00:12:13,490 close by so we'll only be able to 329 00:12:16,540 --> 00:12:15,079 directly image to close by once but we 330 00:12:18,970 --> 00:12:16,550 still might be able to do a few and to 331 00:12:21,549 --> 00:12:18,980 answer your question is absolutely you 332 00:12:23,799 --> 00:12:21,559 would have to consider the fact that the 333 00:12:25,540 --> 00:12:23,809 planets changing in phase depending on 334 00:12:27,730 --> 00:12:25,550 your inclination you might be lucky if 335 00:12:29,619 --> 00:12:27,740 it's based on it's always quadrature and 336 00:12:31,389 --> 00:12:29,629 you have to consider that you have to 337 00:12:34,600 --> 00:12:31,399 consider its rotation and so to back it 338 00:12:36,490 --> 00:12:34,610 out to back out to back out those 339 00:12:40,389 --> 00:12:36,500 quantities you would you would you would 340 00:12:41,710 --> 00:12:40,399 need more observations and in terms of 341 00:12:43,449 --> 00:12:41,720 the specifics that are treatable I would 342 00:12:48,429 --> 00:12:43,459 encourage you to come and to Jake's talk 343 00:12:50,169 --> 00:12:48,439 on Wednesday but I would say that in 344 00:12:52,319 --> 00:12:50,179 terms of rotation I don't think that 345 00:12:54,910 --> 00:12:52,329 it's going to be any worse for rotation 346 00:12:56,379 --> 00:12:54,920 because you're still going to have to 347 00:12:59,769 --> 00:12:56,389 look at the planet for the same amount 348 00:13:03,189 --> 00:12:59,779 of time whether it's whether it's an M 349 00:13:06,879 --> 00:13:03,199 star G Star for for disentangling those 350 00:13:08,739 --> 00:13:06,889 phase effects maybe maybe maybe that's 351 00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:08,749 maybe that's worse but what you can do 352 00:13:12,669 --> 00:13:10,730 is you can bin so you can say well I 353 00:13:14,980 --> 00:13:12,679 looked I looked at it for this amount of 354 00:13:16,480 --> 00:13:14,990 time in this phase and if you if you if 355 00:13:18,040 --> 00:13:16,490 you've observed over several orbital 356 00:13:19,629 --> 00:13:18,050 periods you can rebuild your data 357 00:13:20,919 --> 00:13:19,639 assuming depending on how you do the 358 00:13:21,340 --> 00:13:20,929 integration and you can do the same 359 00:13:23,710 --> 00:13:21,350 thing 360 00:13:25,680 --> 00:13:23,720 you do with a Earth's orbiting a g-star 361 00:13:29,080 --> 00:13:25,690 great thanks 362 00:13:31,660 --> 00:13:29,090 Sean good hey Sean hey Eddie 363 00:13:34,210 --> 00:13:31,670 great talk that wasn't a crescent face 364 00:13:36,790 --> 00:13:34,220 was particularly cool so the question I 365 00:13:39,490 --> 00:13:36,800 have is thinking on the other end from 366 00:13:41,140 --> 00:13:39,500 the color spectrum one thing that the 367 00:13:43,720 --> 00:13:41,150 leVoir stdt has been telling us is that 368 00:13:45,280 --> 00:13:43,730 we need to think of a way to fingerprint 369 00:13:46,960 --> 00:13:45,290 these different planets because we're 370 00:13:49,120 --> 00:13:46,970 going to observe them for let's say 100 371 00:13:50,680 --> 00:13:49,130 hours go away to other science or maybe 372 00:13:52,660 --> 00:13:50,690 other exoplanet targets and then come 373 00:13:54,580 --> 00:13:52,670 back and they'll all have moved in their 374 00:13:57,280 --> 00:13:54,590 orbits yeah and one thing we're worried 375 00:13:58,870 --> 00:13:57,290 about is is this phase dependence right 376 00:14:00,640 --> 00:13:58,880 blocking us from knowing which planets 377 00:14:02,550 --> 00:14:00,650 are the ones we saw before yeah yeah 378 00:14:06,730 --> 00:14:02,560 it's just popped outside the iwi right 379 00:14:08,230 --> 00:14:06,740 it is there it is can can you guys look 380 00:14:10,990 --> 00:14:08,240 at something like you know the SPECT 381 00:14:12,460 --> 00:14:11,000 resolution we have to get at to find the 382 00:14:13,810 --> 00:14:12,470 fingerprint you know to find the things 383 00:14:16,500 --> 00:14:13,820 that aren't dependent on phase or maybe 384 00:14:18,430 --> 00:14:16,510 I don't know yeah well I mean I mean it 385 00:14:20,800 --> 00:14:18,440 depends if you're if you're investing a 386 00:14:23,320 --> 00:14:20,810 lot of time with the planet and you get 387 00:14:25,600 --> 00:14:23,330 the rotation rate and you can match 388 00:14:27,760 --> 00:14:25,610 rotation rates yeah but again that takes 389 00:14:29,140 --> 00:14:27,770 a long time and depends on how you do 390 00:14:30,700 --> 00:14:29,150 your integrations I think I think we've 391 00:14:31,900 --> 00:14:30,710 talked about 100 hour integration really 392 00:14:33,670 --> 00:14:31,910 what you're talking about is like a 393 00:14:35,710 --> 00:14:33,680 hundred one hour integrations or 394 00:14:37,930 --> 00:14:35,720 something like that yeah you know a 395 00:14:39,790 --> 00:14:37,940 thousand ten minute integrations or I 396 00:14:41,620 --> 00:14:39,800 did that wrong but well you know what I 397 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:41,630 mean the detector array oh yeah oh it's 398 00:14:45,850 --> 00:14:43,490 okay yes yeah but then you can read in 399 00:14:47,890 --> 00:14:45,860 those data and then you can get a better 400 00:14:49,630 --> 00:14:47,900 better time-dependent information from 401 00:14:50,860 --> 00:14:49,640 that so maybe temporal the temp the 402 00:14:53,430 --> 00:14:50,870 Signum the signature maybe in the 403 00:14:57,250 --> 00:14:53,440 temporal domain not the spectral domain 404 00:14:58,570 --> 00:14:57,260 is what your saw yeah so so yes yeah 405 00:15:00,820 --> 00:14:58,580 okay the twirl domain is another 406 00:15:03,220 --> 00:15:00,830 leverage point yes yes okay awesome 407 00:15:04,780 --> 00:15:03,230 thank you all right so we are done for 408 00:15:06,190 --> 00:15:04,790 this session the morning session and 409 00:15:07,150 --> 00:15:06,200 we'll meet again at 1:30